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From: "Gene Burbeck" <gburb-at-advantagecs.com>
Subject: RE: Gene is building a tank! [TANKS]
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 11:00:00 -0500
Reply-To: tanks-at-rctankcombat.com

I spent the weekend working on one of the paintball markers and wiring the batteries. The marker is coming along well and is almost ready to test out. I had two small problems: the solenoid is too little and weak to disengage the sear, the barrel came out a little rough. I ordered an undersize drill and reamer for the barrel and a bigger solenoid for disengaging the sear from Mcmaster. The description of the reamer says it will leave a mirror-like finish. I calculated the new solenoid will pull with about 25 lbs of force at 48V with a 1/8" stroke. I chose .6875" for my final barrel diameter as this coresponds to "medium" diameter paint.
 
I also got started on the wiring using 6 AWG wire and soldered-on heavy duty ring terminals. The battery side of the wiring is about half way done. In order to charge the tank at 12V and run it at 48V, I'll be using an 8-pin connector between the battery and ESC.
 
Gene


From: tanks-admin-at-rctankcombat.com [mailto:tanks-admin-at-rctankcombat.com] On Behalf Of Gene Burbeck
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 12:29 PM
To: tanks-at-rctankcombat.com
Subject: RE: Gene is building a tank! [TANKS]

Cross post form RFL forum:

I bought a Tippman 98 Custom paintball marker from a friend at work. I dissasembled it and designed a billet reciever to hold the bolt, valve, barrel, etc. The aluminum and tooling for making it are on the way from Mcmaster. For triggering the marker, I am using a small overvolted solenoid in place of the sear (the sear is the piece which releases the bolt). The marker's valve, front and back bolts, springs, and barrel will be stock. This stuff fits in the aluminum housing that I will machine. In order to save machining time and cost, I designed the reciever to be all made from .25" wall 6061 tube stock. For the barrels I'm starting out using the stock 98 Custom barrel. If I have the money later, I'll get a pair of Flatline barrels to help minimize trajectory and keep the shots parallel to the ground. This type of barrel is slightly curved to put backspin on the ball. I have Paul, my friend from work coming over this evening to help more with frame construction for the tank.

Progress last night with Paul:

We put the "roof" on the tank.

 
The roof is bent from thin sheet steel and fastened to the bulkheads with #10-24 screws. We also made the back bulkhead and back cover out of 1/2" Lexan. I've been using all 1.25" long #12 sheet metal screws in the Lexan so there is no need for tapping. Those screws are VERY hard to put in the first time! The motor goes over the ESC, up under the sheet metal roof.
 
In other news, I traded two of these:
 
 
for one of these:
http://www.robotmarketplace.com/images/48330esc.pdf
 
This is the team Whyachi version of the 48V 330A Sevcon speeed controller. The two reasons for using this is reverse is built in (no need for contactors for reversing) and 48V capability. At 48 volts, motor heating is only half as bad as it would be at 24V for a given power output level - at double the motor rpm, only half the current and torque is needed for a given ammount of horsepower. At the same time, AVAILABLE torque goes way up since stall current goes up when supply voltage goes up (assuming the batteries will source enough current).
 
I've been playing around with the calculations for running the tank at 48V, similar to the calculations I used to do in order to design spinning robot weapons. Armature resistance of the LEM130 as per Lemco spec is 5m (5 milliohoms), KV is 150 rpm/volt and current/speed is 10 rpm/amp. The batteries are rated at 1800 amps short circuit.
 
no load speed at 48V = 48V X (150 rpm/volt) = 7200 rpm
 
skipping a few steps...
 
rpm drop at 350 amps = 350 amps X (10 rpm/amp) = 3500 rpm
 
So, peak horsepower occurs at about 3700 rpm and 350 amps. Since the batteries deliver 1800 amps through a short circuit, thier voltage drops to 39V under 350 amps of load (48V - (48V X (350A/1800A) = 39V). At peak output power, therefore, the input power is 350A X 39V = 13.7 kW. At peak output power, effiency is only about 50%, so mechanical output power is about 6.8 kW - or 9 HP. Wow! That sounds about right, since the continuous rating at 36V is 4 HP. What this all means is that tank *could* be geared to go way faster than nessesary. However if I want the batteries to last longer than 5 minutes, I'll need to gear for something a little more sane.
 
With 4" track sprockets, 10 mph corresponds to 800 rpm. To get that rpm I need to gear about 9:1. Thats reasonable to do in a 2-stage reduction. I won't know until I start experimenting, but I'm expecting the gearing for a battery life of longer than 45 min to be at least 10 mph.
 
Gene
 
 


From: tanks-admin-at-rctankcombat.com [mailto:tanks-admin-at-rctankcombat.com] On Behalf Of Gene Burbeck
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 10:38 AM
To: tanks-at-rctankcombat.com
Subject: RE: Gene is building a tank! [TANKS]

Got my speed controller today and installed it. This thing is a beast! It is Curtis model number 1205-111:
 
http://curtisinst.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=cProducts.DownloadPDF&file=50036REVC%2Epdf
 
36 volts and 400 amps oh my! It fits just right, lying down in the center of the tank. I fastened it to the lexan baseplate with four 5/16"-16 torx screws. The esc is overspeced enough that it shouldn't need any cooling. However, if it turns out to be nessesary there is room to put it up on standoffs to get the flat bottom surface of the esc up off the lexan. The controller is in good condition, and assuming it doesn't have any problems, I'll be very pleased with the deal I got.
 
Gene


From: tanks-admin-at-rctankcombat.com [mailto:tanks-admin-at-rctankcombat.com] On Behalf Of Gene Burbeck
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 11:12 AM
To: tanks-at-rctankcombat.com
Subject: RE: Gene is building a tank! [TANKS]

I'll make my tracks slightly to short to fit on the track guides, then trim down the red side plates until the tracks fit nicely. In other builders' experience, do roller chain tracks stretch at all over time (I'm using 2 strands of #50 chain per track). I would tend to think roller chain doesn't stretch.
 
Gene


From: tanks-admin-at-rctankcombat.com [mailto:tanks-admin-at-rctankcombat.com] On Behalf Of Chrysanthos Kanellopoulos
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 10:20 AM
To: tanks-at-rctankcombat.com
Subject: Re: Gene is building a tank! [TANKS]

Only out of curiosity:
How would you tension the tracks of the Mark -Liberty "closed type"  track configuration?
 
CHrys

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