RE: Abrams hit by a roadside bomb [TANKS]

["Kevin" <ka1201-at-houston.rr.com>]

I agree.  I don't think posting the link here was in poor taste.  I hope I
didn't cause this negative attitude with my immediate reply to your posting.
That was not my intention.  It's a reality that to love tanks is to love a
war machine and or the men who served in them.

-----Original Message-----
From: tanks-admin-at-rctankcombat.com [mailto:tanks-admin-at-rctankcombat.com] On
Behalf Of Brian Kraack
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 9:25 AM
To: tanks-at-rctankcombat.com
Subject: Re: Abrams hit by a roadside bomb [TANKS]

The following is my opinion, and is not directed towards any single 
person or comment, other than the general sentiment that posting the 
pictures might have been a mistake (a sentiment that was even put 
forward by the original poster).  I am not trying to start a flame war, 
just hoping to put forward another point of view.  Please do not be 
offended if your view differs.

I don't think it was a mistake to post those pictures.  Sure, our hobby 
is for fun, but IMO we shouldn't forget that the roots of our hobby are 
vehicles designed for war fighting.

Forgetting or actively ignoring the men and women who fought, bled and 
died in the past and who are doing so today to protect and spread the 
freedoms that we enjoy is something I consider to be a grave injustice.  
I hope the men in that Abrams fared better than it looks like they did.

I think that post was completely on topic and appropriate.  Not only was 
it relevant to our topic, you provided ample warning that some might 
find the subject matter distasteful - and to top it off, all you 
provided was a link rather than including the pics right in the message.



Keith Wade wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> these pictures have cast a very dark mood over this hobby for too 
> long, and it was probably a mistake to post them in the first place. 
> I'm not blaming anyone, but I thought I might lighten the mood a 
> little with this 'interesting' clip.
>
> www.jokaroo.com/funnyvideos/stuckinmud
>
> Just so you know who those boys are, their uniform appears to be 
> Aussie , maybe SAS, on a training exercise. Considering I'm in sydney, 
> this really worries me, whats defending australia again?
>
> Friends tell me that the boatman purposefully dropped them into that mud.
> Trust me its almost impossible to walk through mud like that, and 
> these boys went head first. (had to walk a kilometre through a swamp 
> with knee deep mud on a scout hike when our raft broke, poor knots 
> probably. I didn't tie them.)
>
> Hope all of you out there are well, and I love that tank Marc, your 
> son must be real happy with his new toy. I showed my sisters and now 
> they want one :<
>
> James (hope you find it funny) Wade
>
> P.S. I'd just like to clear something up.
> I'm actually a kiwi imigrant with permentant resident status living in 
> sydney, and I'm not Keith, I'm his son James, this is a family account 
> and we all use it.
> Cleaning out the spam is an absoulte nightmare,
> Deleting junk mail for five people is very time consuming(sigh).
>
>
>> From: John Bruder <hobbydad-at-adelphia.net>
>> Reply-To: tanks-at-rctankcombat.com
>> To: tanks-at-rctankcombat.com
>> CC: Sigi <sigismund.koster-at-hetnet.nl>
>> Subject: Re: Abrams hit by a roadside bomb [TANKS]
>> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:47:52 -0600
>>
>> Generally, they use 4 or 5 152mm HE rounds set off with Det cord.  
>> They just kept increasing the size of the charge until one worked.  
>> Most of them are 1 or 2 152 rounds set off with a stand-off detonater.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> ---- Sigi <sigismund.koster-at-hetnet.nl> wrote:
>>
>> =============
>> these are very intense pictures!
>> all this mangled metal,i dont want to think, what this did to the crew.
>> the blood of the driver is still visible on one of the pictures...
>> i never expected that a roadbomb was able to destroy a Abrahams tank!!!
>> that must have been an extremely heavy bomb!!
>> i have no further comments.....
>>
>>
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: Derek Engelhaupt
>>   To: tanks-at-rctankcombat.com
>>   Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 6:12 PM
>>   Subject: RE: Abrams hit by a roadside bomb [TANKS]
>>
>>
>>   Well, I didn't want to start anything that's why I didn't make any 
>> political comments about it.  It is tank related, but I will refrain 
>> from posting anything like this again.
>>
>>   Derek
>>
>>   Kevin <ka1201-at-houston.rr.com> wrote:
>>     Wait. Did I make the wrong point? Posting off topic things 
>> doesn't boil my
>>     blood; it is that these insurgents are killing the soldiers that 
>> are in Iraq
>>     building schools that their kids will go to. I'm not going to wax 
>> political
>>     and talk about why we are there or whether we should be there but 
>> I'd bet we
>>     are doing more helping than harming and we are being spat upon 
>> for it.
>>
>>     -----Original Message-----
>>     From: tanks-admin-at-rctankcombat.com 
>> [mailto:tanks-admin-at-rctankcombat.com] On
>>     Behalf Of WJ
>>     Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 10:19 AM
>>     To: tanks-at-rctankcombat.com
>>     Subject: RE: Abrams hit by a roadside bomb [TANKS]
>>
>>     I agree with you that this type of thing should be kept outside 
>> of the
>>     mailinglist.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     > I am glad that steadier hands than mine are at the controls of 
>> our nuclear
>>     > arsenals. Flame me if you will but that stuff boils my blood.
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > _____
>>     >
>>     > From: tanks-admin-at-rctankcombat.com 
>> [mailto:tanks-admin-at-rctankcombat.com]
>>     > On
>>     > Behalf Of Derek Engelhaupt
>>     > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:51 AM
>>     > To: tanks-at-rctankcombat.com
>>     > Subject: Abrams hit by a roadside bomb [TANKS]
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > I normally don't post this kind of stuff, but this is just too 
>> disturbing
>>     > what those folks are doing with IEDs over there in Iraq. This 
>> came to me
>>     > from the Abrams list.
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/dmon722000/detail?.dir=/402bre2
>>     >
>>     > jpg&.src=ph> &.dnm=1c8cre2.jpg&.src=ph
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > Derek (formerly SPC) Engelhaupt
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > _____
>>     >
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